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Replicating BA bumper help

Ron46

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Hey guys, I am thinking about replicated or making a ba bumper or one similar to it. Do you guys have some detailed pictures inside and out of the bumper, and dimensions? thanks, also what would be the best metal to make the bumper out of? I don't want it to be too heavy, but I don't want it to be weak either, thanks! Im still torn if I want to make one or find one, or even buy an arb bumper.
 
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4speedfunk

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The BA is a huge hunk of metal. I think it is 14 gauge, which is somewhat thin and flemsy compared to most off-road bumpers. But it has to be built from thin metal due to its rather large size. If you made it from 3/16" (which is pretty much the standard) it would be way too heavy for the H3. The winch shelf area was double layers of 14ga. with gussets to support the winch load. I'm afraid I don't have any good shots of the back of it but, here's a shot of mine sitting on the floor right before I sold it...

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The winch mounts directly between the frame rails which is good. This means there is no "lever" action, to possibly bend the frame rails (like some other shelf mounts). For this reason it utilizes only the (4) tow-hook bolts to mount it, and that is plenty sufficient. However, if you move your winch away from this location...you should try to use the other (4) bolts (on the sides of the frame rails) to triangulate the mounting and prevent any bending that could occur during a hard pull. The H3 has crumple zones built into the frame rails, and you should take that into account with your design. If you do keep your winch mounted low between the frame rails...you'll probably be limited to an 8000lb. unit due to the tight space under there. Although it looks imposing, the BA is actually not much of a bumper. The more I used my BA, the more dissatisfied I became with it. The fairlead opening needed enlarged...the powder-coat is very poor quality...and more than once, I wadded the winch line up inside it. Be careful using it for a plow...it is easy to bend. Also the ends stick-out past the body, and you can accidentally hook the bumper on small trees while in reverse. This will also bend the BA. The cool thing is...you can bend it back without much effort.

If you are starting from scratch, there are many improvements you can incorporate into your own design. Just like everything...there is usually a trade-off for every change you make. The hidden winch idea looks great at the mall but, makes actual winching very tough. Its difficult to see the drum and properly spool the winch-line onto it. Most of the time...the low-mount winch will be under-water (or mud) when you really need it, and servicing it usually requires removal of the bumper. Conversely...exposed winches are ugly, and prone to weather damage and vandalism. It all depends on how much you plan to use it, and whether you are willing to compromise to get what you're after. I love seeing scratch-built bumpers, and I encourage everybody to dive-in and come up with their own design. I recommend using 3/16" mild steel, and building several designs out of cardboard before you start welding. I actually built a "jig" that mimics the H3's front frame rails. That way I can play around with different design ideas without having my truck disassembled.
 

frumaker

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When I made the bumper for solid, I used 3/16. 14 gauge will bend easy if hit. The h3 can handle more weight then people think. My tough country is pretty thick metal plus a bumper made from 3/16 won't be as heavy as u would think. Gotta consider why u are building it...looks, protection, etc
 

Major Tom

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P1010045.JPGThe BA bumper is 12 gauge steel which is 1/8" I believe. I have had mine for almost 5 years and it is one of the best modificaions I have done. The powder coating was crap. I sand blasted mine after two years and recoated it with Extreme chassis paint from Eastwood corporation. It has held up well. I also widened the fairlead openining a little and put on a billet hawse fairlead to replace the roller one. I also replaced the steel cable with 85 ' feet of amsteel blue synthetic line .
 
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3Hummers

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Ron, my BA bumper is in Texas and I doubt I will be able to pull any measurements for you for a few weeks. Hopefully someone can get you what you need before then.
 

Green 1

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Ron, my BA bumper is in Texas and I doubt I will be able to pull any measurements for you for a few weeks. Hopefully someone can get you what you need before then.

I beleive there is another one in Texas that may be sitting on a shop floor or in a pile of nice unused Hummer Parts, heck there may be two or three.

Gunner where are you ?
 

SolidusJ

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Ron, my BA bumper is in Texas and I doubt I will be able to pull any measurements for you for a few weeks. Hopefully someone can get you what you need before then.


I had my dirty hands all over it when we meet a few week ago. I would kill to have that sweet bumper!!!!!
 

silvrzuki77

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Ive had both bumpers, if you cant find a used one for a good price personally i would go with the ARB. It looks really good on the H3 and all the built in safety features which with my kids i really like. It is heavy though but soo is the BA.
 

SolidusJ

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When I made the bumper for solid, I used 3/16. 14 gauge will bend easy if hit. The h3 can handle more weight then people think. My tough country is pretty thick metal plus a bumper made from 3/16 won't be as heavy as u would think. Gotta consider why u are building it...looks, protection, etc

True story!!!
 

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Gunner_45

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I beleive there is another one in Texas that may be sitting on a shop floor or in a pile of nice unused Hummer Parts, heck there may be two or three.

Gunner where are you ?

Asshat.

It is not on the floor..............It's on a damn dolley sitting next to my UCP, shocks and Hunner skids..

So byte me.................. neener, neener, neener.

Ron, provided I can make it out there this weekend, some pics can be taken.

Writing myself a note now.

PM me your e-mail and I'll see what I can do.
 

alrock

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Can't give you shots of a BA bumper's back side, but here's the Iron Bull bumper innards
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Mounting plates
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Hans3T

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I feel like a lot of people have talked about duplicating the BA but I don't believe anyone has cloned it.

Seems like the market would be receptive to a clone. If somebody with a BA were to clone it, could there be any legal dangers there? I know BA went under, but I'm not sure if/how that would effect it.

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Gunner just trying to remind you that you have a project build at your house and you need to start your build thread.:giggle:
 

4speedfunk

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I'll throw this out there...

You might also try adapting a bumper from something else. This is a cheapo Chinese-made Smittybuilt TJ bumper mounted on my buddy's rig. He let me borrow the bumper when it first arrived, and I actually had this exact bumper bolted up to my H3 (sorry didn't take photos). I'm not saying it looked perfect but, starting with something like this and making some changes...is usually much quicker, easier, and cheaper than building one from scratch. The H3 has a steeply curved nose compared to other trucks but, you might look at FJ-Cruisers, Nissans, and other Jeeps for ideas. This bumper was $300 delivered. Hard to argue with that...even if you take a torch to it!

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P.S. This is the bumper that I used to eventually arrive at the THORparts design.
 

Hunner

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I looked at that bumper too and have always had my winches out in the open because I use them. Seems the difference was the frame rail width. The mostly JEEP guys at the place I went to were sort of skeptical but since they knew me as a guide at Superlift said at some point they would try to fab something up. That was a new start up place and they have never really got all there equipment set up.
I think the heavy ARB is just a Toyo or LR with different mounts.
 

4speedfunk

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Awesome Alrock...that is so cheesy! Truly the "Jersey Shore" of bumpers! I know some will argue but, that will never be cool around my garage.

:no:

On the other hand...you've got plenty of extra metal to work with, if you wanted to cut it down to fit the H3!

:thumbs:
 
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