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Over-heating Alpha when towing. Need some advice.

SC_Hummer_Guy

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Rippy has a certified Hummer tech, so I'm very happy about that and I know Barney is in good hands.
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Well that's a good thing! Those don't exist down here in SC anymore. I end up taking my truck to a Corvette Master Tech at the dealership here (when I do go) cuz he knows more than anyone else there! It's pitiful the way GM left me hanging down here haha!

And next time I'm up I'll bring the Scan Gauge for ya buddy!
 

ReconH3

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In case Rippy doesn't come through, the guys a Hendrick Hummer/Cadillac here in Cary are top notch. They solved all my electrical issues when my cables got fried. Rippy seems to have a good rep so you may not need to use them, but it's a good alternative for if you ever need them.


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4speedfunk

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Regardless of Cliff, Max, me, or whoever...get yourself a test hydrometer. That will tell you a ballpark ratio for sure. All the advice in the world doesn't mean a thing if you don't know where you are starting from. This especially true if someone else owned your truck and had previous work done on the cooling system. I have seen mechanics top off cooling systems with straight coolant! This is guaranteed to make you run hot. Who knows?...you might have 80% in there! A hydrometer is $5.00 at any AutoZone...cheaper than a jug of DexCool, and it takes all of 30 seconds to check.

For the helluvit...I just went out to my shop, popped the hood, and checked my H3 coolant with a hydrometer. I have (2) balls floating, which translates to a +5F degree freeze protection. It runs very cool...and has tons of heat in the winter. I do not know for sure what the actual water-to-coolant ratio is but, I can find it out easy enough:

I have to get a bucket and put a known quantity of water in it. Then keep adding DexCool to it (keeping track of the amount) until I get the same "2-balls" reading on the hydrometer. Then simply make note of the ratio. I'm gonna do this, and see what I end up with. Also...I will grab some of the 50/50 pre-mix and see how many balls it floats right out of the bottle, just to get a benchmark.
 
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Hans3T

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Called and as of this morning they are still diagnosing at Rippy. I should have an idea Monday.

If I'm out, I'll pick up one of those test kits. Thanks, CJ.

Steve, we ought to go to Cars and Coffee in Wilmington the next time they have it!
 

Hans3T

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So the T is done at Rippy as of this morning.

Looks like they could not find a thing wrong with the truck with regards to over-heating.

So do Alpha's just overheat when it's hot outside and the A/C is on low?

I'll definitely have some questions for the tech when I pick it up later today or tomorrow. I showed these as proof before...

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Mr_Rich

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Wow! You have the proof and they seem to ignore it. I'm thinking may be a diagnostic tool like Autotap may be called for. Hook it up and repeat the driving cycle where your truck was overheating. This is definitely not a normal condition for any LS equipped vehicle.

Using my LS6-equipped Firebird as an example...the cooling air is pulled from below the front of the car. The fans supposedly turn on when the engine hits 220 degrees. That's what Autotap indicates even when the temp gauge is still registering low. As soon as traffic moves or I get out on the highway my temp gauge moves back toward the first hash mark.

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I'm thinking maybe your fan stops pulling air through the radiator to get your engine that hot. You've already established proof. I think the dealership has established their lack of competence. You may need help from another source; like someone who has a diagnostic program like I mentioned.

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3rdH3

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I have been following this thread since the beginning. I have owned an 06 3.5, an 08 3.7 and now a 10 5.3 Flexfuel They have all run about a needles width below the halfway mark during the hottest of weather with the AC on and sitting at idle or going up a steep grade on the highway. We have had several days in the mid 90's with high humidities and the engine temps on the Alpha that I now own never reached the halfway mark. None were ever exposed to deep mud. Perhaps it is a matter of mud clogging things up or the thermostat behaving badly. I had one on a Cherokee that the housing was cracked causing it to misbehave. The only mods have been an Airdoc CAI and a Magnaflow Catback exhaust plus a pcmforless tune on the 3.7. Good luck on finding your problem and keep us posted.
 

ReconH3

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Hendrick Hummer in Cary. If you wait till I'm back, you can stay at my place while they look at it. I have a guest room.


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06 H3

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There must be something wrong...dont let them tell you there isnt. Dont the 3.5/3.7's normally run hotter then the H3 alphas too? I havent heard too many stories of overheating alphas thats why I believe there is something wrong...It isnt too common! Yesterday driving up a steep grade at freeway speed I got to the 3/4 mark but no where near the red and that was in 104 degree weather. I carry more weight then you, have WAY less power then you and am probably less aerodynamic. I also had the A/C on. Today is going to be hotter...near 110 good thing you dont live out here barney would fry!

Hope you guys find out this problem sooner then later. I would look into a scangauge as they give the exact temp and then you can reference the temp to the gauge...its also useful for a bunch of other **** too.
 

alrock

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3rd - my 07 H3 always runs a tick above halfway if it is 80 or above out. The only time it is below halfway is in cool temps. Climbing long hills in AZ heat puts it close to 3/4 heat. I've only had the "AC OFF" message once, that was when trying to do 95 mph in 112 degree heat.

Hans, I think you need to start logging the issues. Also, read below. I don't think this exactly applies to you as your issues may go beyond calibration of the gauge if you're actually getting the AC OFF message

#PIP4443A: Engine Temperature Gauge Displays 3/4 In Hot Ambient Temperatures - (Jan 7, 2009)

Subject: Engine Temperature Gauge Displays 3/4 in Hot Ambient Temperatures

Models: 2008 Hummer H3

with 5.3L V8 Engine (RPO LH8)

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This PI was superseded to include repair information and internal faxable information for vehicles pre breakpoint. Please discard PIP4443.
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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:
Some customers may be concerned that the engine temperature gauge reads just below the red (around 3/4), when driving in ambient temperatures of 100 F (38 C) or higher. This concern is typically more apparent when driving up steep grades for several miles, or in stop and go traffic for several minutes, with the air conditioning is on.

There will be no sign of coolant loss or underhood steam noted by the customer. Upon inspection, no DTCs or coolant loss will be noted, and the ECT sensor parameter on a Tech 2 will display less than 230 F (110 C) if the concern is verified by a technician.

This may be due an instrument panel cluster (IPC) calibration concern and excessive hot underhood air entering the engine air inlet.

Recommendation/Instructions:
If SI diagnosis does not isolate a cause for this concern, note the vehicle build date.

If the build date is 7/1/2008 or later, replace the IPC with part number 25946690, which includes updated calibrations to improve this concern. For export vehicles, use part number 25946691.

If the build date is 6/30/2008 or earlier, please contact U. S. GM Technical Assistance at 1-877-446-8227 or Canada TAC at 1-800-263-7740 English or 1-800-263-7960 French for additional information.

Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.

GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.


For the I5 engine, see this

#PIP4464A: Engine Temperature Gauge Displays 3/4 In Hot Ambient Temperatures - (Dec 23, 2008)

Subject: Engine Temperature Gauge Displays 3/4 in Hot Ambient Temperatures

Models: 2008 Hummer H3

with 3.7L Engine (RPO LLR)

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This PI was superseded to include new repair information. Please discard PIP4464.

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The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:
Some customers may be concerned that the engine temperature gauge reads just below the red (around 3/4) when driving in ambient temperatures of 100 F (38 C) or higher. This concern is typically more apparent when driving up steep grades for several miles, or in stop and go traffic for several minutes, with the air conditioning turned on.

There will be no sign of coolant loss or underhood steam noted by the customer. Upon inspection, no DTCs or coolant loss will be noted, and the ECT sensor parameter on a Tech 2 will display less than 230 F (110 C) if the concern is verified by a technician.

This may be due to an instrument panel cluster (IPC) calibration concern.

Recommendation/Instructions:
If SI diagnosis does not isolate a cause for this concern, replace the IPC with part number 25946690, which includes updated calibrations to improve this concern. For export vehicles, use part number 25946691.
 

3Hummers

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The Alphas have had issues in the past of running hot at low speeds in high temperatures. Hans you are taking the issue to the other extreme. :)
 

Hans3T

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Alex, looks like my truck fell into that service bulletin, so they have ordered me a new instrument panel. It should be in Friday and I'll have the work done on my truck next week sometime. Jerry H. at Rippy is a good guy and was very nice. I'm hoping the new instrument panel will solve my issue...

Why Alrock had to refer to a service bulletin and not my tech is a bit confounding...but we're on the road to progress, so all is well.
 
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alrock

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Because I'm smarter than your service dude :). I hope this works out for you. The overheating could have been premature because of a miscalibrated gauge, if the BCM or whatever pulls the signal through the gauge. Guess we'll find out but at least we'll get one fix in for you.
 

MaxPF

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Someone needs to smack the crap out of the GM engineers that put a soccer-mom temp gauge in the panel instead of a real gauge with real numbers on it. Ditto on the lack of a proper oil pressure and charging voltage gauge. Idiot lights are for idiots. They don't give you any warning of impending problems, they just tell you you're walking. Might as well eliminate the separate oil and battery lights and put a single light consisting of a backlit Nike sneaker, 'cause that's what you're using when your oil or battery light comes on.
 

Hans3T

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So I had the instrument panel replaced today, drove 10 miles and I overheated again. I took it right back to Rippy and Jerry was quick to say we'll change the thermostat. So he's doing that now and I'll have the truck later...

I'm quickly getting really nervous that my truck, like many H3s before it, is just going to snowball into big problems. I have 24k on it now...

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06 H3

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I wouldn't worry too much. It may be an isolated problem...id wait to get it back and go from there

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hummech

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it sounds like they should take some time to put a tech2 on it and drive it and compair the engine temp on the gaige to the engine temp on the tech2 that the computer see's. i would have done that before changing the cluster. hopefully the thermostats fix it, if not have the dealer start a tac case on your vehicle. they can call GM for technical assistance and they can help direct them where to go to fix the issue. also it alerts them that your vehicle is having a problem that they can compair to other vehicle that have the same like problem and find a solution and to release a TSB for the future customers that have the same issue. i agree with 06H3 that yours may be a isolated problem, just get over this little hurdle and you will start to trust your Hummer again.

mike s.
 

Hans3T

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Mike, thanks for the wisdom there. This forum is a wealth of knowledge, and having a Hummer tech on our side is even better.

UPDATE!

The truck is running cool again. We replaced the thermostat and Jerry H. at Rippy Hummer worked his magic. He said he sprayed a good deal of mud/sand out of the radiator, but I haven't wheeled in 7 months and the overheating hasn't been an issue until recently. I think we'll chalk the problem up to a broken thermostat. :hans:

Whatever it was, Barney is running with the temp gauge a spec under the halfway point. Most excellent indeed.
 

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He said he sprayed a good deal of mud/sand out of the radiator, but I haven't wheeled in 7 months and the overheating hasn't been an issue until recently.

The 7 intervening months were mostly cool weather so we can't say for sure if it was the thermostat or mud in the radiator. One thing that is certain, the mud will reduce air flow and reduce cooling. So it is always a good idea to rinse out the radiator after off roading. Especially if you've in mud.

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Hans3T

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Yeah, the months before were cooler...that thought did come to my mind. Thing is, I had hosed out the radiator...and the last time I wheeled there was very little mud that I went through.

I'm not going to over-analyze what may/may not have caused it. Heck, for all I know, it could have been a combo of both.

.......I'm just glad to be back to normal. (Knocking on wood!)
 

skinner41

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I have a 2010 Alpha and it has never been over half way even just a tad below.It has been hotter than hell around here 104 to 108 the last week or so,even running the A/C still a little below half.Got 12,000 on it now
 
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