Next Possible Venture....With Pics

[HUMMERADDICT]

Well, here's what I hope to pickup soon................as long as the wife ok's it.

 

[cgalpha08]

Nice! Does it have the 6 cylinder in it?

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[HUMMERADDICT]

Nice! Does it have the 6 cylinder in it?

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Nope. 4g63 turbocharged 2.0 liter I4.

The 4g64 V6 in Mitsubishi Eclipses started in 99.

I believe the turbocharged I4 made just a little more HP and torque than the V6 did.

The one i'm looking at has all the best options. GSX turbo with AWD!

 

[cgalpha08]

Its a nice ride, my cousin had one.

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[alrock]

Yep, you can get into trouble with those!

 

[ArtHummer]

Nice police magnet. My cousin had one also. Could not stop on the stop sign and ended up under the truck that was in front of him. The hood of the car got all the way under it... Be careful driving it. It is allot of fun and you tent to go faster that you should.

 

[skeptic]

I used to have a '93 Talon TSi-AWD. Older body style, but essentially the same engine. You NEED a boost gauge, A/F gauge (wideband is better), manual boost controller (can make one for under $10), BOV from a 1G or aftermarket (the 2Gs leak under pressure), and you probably want something like a 16G turbo. The SMIC is actually pretty good, but a FMIC can be a little more efficient. At this point you are pushing the limits of your clutch (my clutch was starting to slip at full boost), and get to decide if you want to call it done or get into big $$ making it stupid fast.

The one car I wish I never would have sold.


Edit: Just a little something to think about -

Tiny hold drilled in the body of my DIY MBC (two versions shown). IIRC, I didn't use the right bearing in the bottom MBC, but I like the second design better - easier to adjust. Finding the right spring is the hardest part.

 

[HUMMERADDICT]

I used to have a '93 Talon TSi-AWD. Older body style, but essentially the same engine. You NEED a boost gauge, A/F gauge (wideband is better), manual boost controller (can make one for under $10), BOV from a 1G or aftermarket (the 2Gs leak under pressure), and you probably want something like a 16G turbo. The SMIC is actually pretty good, but a FMIC can be a little more efficient. At this point you are pushing the limits of your clutch (my clutch was starting to slip at full boost), and get to decide if you want to call it done or get into big $$ making it stupid fast.

The one car I wish I never would have sold.


Edit: Just a little something to think about -

Tiny hold drilled in the body of my DIY MBC (two versions shown). IIRC, I didn't use the right bearing in the bottom MBC, but I like the second design better - easier to adjust. Finding the right spring is the hardest part.

SWEET 1G you had there. I'm looking at an automatic. Never tried a standard, though most told me I should buy a standard if i'm looking at DSM's.

 

[cgalpha08]

So what are your plans for it?

Im assuming your going to lower it, put a racing spoiler on it, have rediculous amounts of power, and put a body kit on it right?

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[skeptic]

SWEET 1G you had there. I'm looking at an automatic. Never tried a standard, though most told me I should buy a standard if i'm looking at DSM's.

Yes, if you get a DSM you probably want the manual. I prefer the 1G to the 2G - when I was "in the DSM crowd" a common saying was if you want to look good get a 2g, if you want to go fast get a 1g. Not strictly correct once you start upgrading enough stuff, but out of the box it's easier to make a 1g MUCH faster than stock for dirt cheap. After adding a boost gauge, you can safely add 50+ hp for under $20. I was using a gtech pro to chart the HP gains from mods (not as accurate as a real dyno, but passable for estimating changes). Baseline runs averaged 155hp to the wheels, pushing boost into the safe levels got me 205hp, and pushing the limits of safe (no A/F gauge, but I'm sure I was at the limits of my injectors) I was able to break 225hp to the wheels.

For 1g, the auto has a smaller turbo and smaller injectors - less power. The 2G has the identical engine setup for auto and manual. For both 1G and 2G, the tranny supposedly isn't very good (never owned one myself), plus taller gears mean in all cases straight from the showroom floor the autos are slower than the 5-spds. Plus, 5-spds are just more fun to drive. If you don't care about the manual being a little faster, don't plan to mod your car much, and if you plan to drive in stop and go traffic, an automatic might be a better choice.

 

[HUMMERADDICT]

So what are your plans for it?

Im assuming your going to lower it, put a racing spoiler on it, have rediculous amounts of power, and put a body kit on it right?

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I'm hoping to get a Talon or Eclipse that already has the high rise spoiler (GSX, GST or TSI). Yes, i'm looking at body kits. I've also been looking at kits for 3G Eclipses. Some 3G's have also caught my eye. Probably do a few performance upgrades also once I obtain the car that is meant for me. Also taken a liking to 350z's. I don't know whats come over me lately. I've been a truck guy since day one, now i'd like to add a sporty car to the stable. Can't wait until tax time.

 

[HUMMERADDICT]

Yes, if you get a DSM you probably want the manual. I prefer the 1G to the 2G - when I was "in the DSM crowd" a common saying was if you want to look good get a 2g, if you want to go fast get a 1g. Not strictly correct once you start upgrading enough stuff, but out of the box it's easier to make a 1g MUCH faster than stock for dirt cheap. After adding a boost gauge, you can safely add 50+ hp for under $20. I was using a gtech pro to chart the HP gains from mods (not as accurate as a real dyno, but passable for estimating changes). Baseline runs averaged 155hp to the wheels, pushing boost into the safe levels got me 205hp, and pushing the limits of safe (no A/F gauge, but I'm sure I was at the limits of my injectors) I was able to break 225hp to the wheels.



For 1g, the auto has a smaller turbo and smaller injectors - less power. The 2G has the identical engine setup for auto and manual. For both 1G and 2G, the tranny supposedly isn't very good (never owned one myself), plus taller gears mean in all cases straight from the showroom floor the autos are slower than the 5-spds. Plus, 5-spds are just more fun to drive. If you don't care about the manual being a little faster, don't plan to mod your car much, and if you plan to drive in stop and go traffic, an automatic might be a better choice.

Never driven a standard. I've been watching some vids on youtube of guys that have 800-1000whp. Crazy!

 

[skeptic]

Never driven a standard. I've been watching some vids on youtube of guys that have 800-1000whp. Crazy!

Never driven a manual? You need to find someone that will let you learn on one. Since it's becoming clear you are building a fun car, not just picking up a daily driver, do yourself a favor and get a 5-spd. Really not all that hard to learn, and other than stop and go traffic (or wheeling) they are more fun and give you more control. As for the 800+whp cars, those are stupid expensive to build. Realistic numbers for us regular guys are more in the 300-350hp range, and even then you are looking at new injectors, new turbo, piggy-back or stand alone ecu, new clutch.... Getting 200whp can be done on a good condition solid engine for around $100. Getting 300whp safely is more like $2k - it gets expensive, just image what those guys are spending for their 800whp cars, plus constant repairs.

My '77 Celica only put 237hp to the rear wheels (dyno tuned to very safe levels), and I'd be embarrassed to say how much I have into that car. Granted, my Celica is running a 3SGTE not a 4G63T, but very similar in terms of HP, upgrades, etc.

Ya, I'm a fan of 4cyl turbo RWD and AWD cars. Too bad I couldn't convince my wife to buy a turbo Subaru Legacy instead of the NA one she bought. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

More eye-candy, even though it's completely unrelated, but since you are looking at lots of different "sporty" cars..

When it's not overheating (I'm thinking bad head gasket or worse), that little Celica is the most fun to drive car I've ever been behind the wheel of.

 

[M22KLARS]

 

[HUMMERADDICT]

LOL! Don't worry. Still badly want an SUT also.

 

[M22KLARS]

What are you going to build it for? Daily Driver? Street Machine? Drag? AutoX? Drift?

 

[M22KLARS]

:corn:

 

[skeptic]

What are you going to build it for? Daily Driver? Street Machine? Drag? AutoX? Drift?

Since he isn't answering, I'm taking a wild guess, reading between the lines, and say he is going for looks first then fun to drive second. As soon as he mentioned 3rd gen Eclipse I realized performance was low on his priority list.

 

[HUMMERADDICT]

Sorry for late response.
Yeah m22, I want the car for little of everything. DD and modding it. Definitely want the 2G. We'll see what happens. If I could learn the stick I'd love to go all "Han."