Mash Motors 6.2L V8 Swap

[derian06]

I still don't understand the whole electrical gremlin thing, i'm replacing my ecm, bcm, pcm, tcm, fuse box. I've been through every wire I can think of including inside door panels, out side, in tight spaces, none of them were wet or corroded or had mud in them. If nothing is corroded and i'm replacing everything that controls everything isnt the rest just wire? No circuit boards means nothing to fry right?

 

[derian06]

I love the idea of what your doing, its only money right. But hit the brakes, lay all the cards on the table, weight the pros and cons and them make your your are doing the right thing. Decisions made on emotion rather than rational thoughts rarely ever work out, so I really wish you the best of luck in this endeavor and hope you land on your feet with whatever happens. But for that kind of cash ola, I would have to look at other options. Like seriously considering letting the insurance total it or parting it out and purchased another vehicle until I could get right side up on my cash-flow. Then once you get on your feet and you've got some cash back in your pocket, go buy a used rig and do whatever the hell you want to it. Life has a funny way of smacking you upside the head and I don't care who you are or what financial position you are in, something always comes up that you were not expecting and did not plan for. For instance, gremlins eat your truck alive, your girlfriend gets pregnant, you have to move for a job, you loose your job, you loose a leg, you loose an arm, you get the point. You, me, nor anyone else can predict the future so you have to be prepared for some uncertainty, its a part of life. You really are not leaving yourself much wiggle room for the what ifs. Either way, like I said, good luck and hope it all works out and you land on your feet.

And again we can't go through insurance, chill out with the financial aid talk. If i'm spending 21,300$ i can promise you i have looked at other options.

 

[ffmf2101]

:thumbs::cheers:

 

[alrock]

And again we can't go through insurance, chill out with the financial aid talk. If i'm spending 21,300$ i can promise you i have looked at other options.

Hey, I think he's got a great opinion with a solid foundation. Obviously you don't have to accept it but I know he was offering it from a very friendly perspective. I don't think he was trying to beat you up with it but simply suggested that, if you haven't done so already, consider your options carefully and hopefully you're making the decision rationally and not emotionally.

Frankly, I think Big's post was one of the most helpful post in any thread in a while. I spent a lot of stupid money when I was younger (still do) and I regret some of those expenses, while there were others that I don't.

 

[3Hummers]

As long as you are happy with the solution and the outcome nothing else really matters but when you ask people their opinions expect to get some you don't agree with and some that you don't even like.

 

[derian06]

Hey, I think he's got a great opinion with a solid foundation. Obviously you don't have to accept it but I know he was offering it from a very friendly perspective. I don't think he was trying to beat you up with it but simply suggested that, if you haven't done so already, consider your options carefully and hopefully you're making the decision rationally and not emotionally.

Frankly, I think Big's post was one of the most helpful post in any thread in a while. I spent a lot of stupid money when I was younger (still do) and I regret some of those expenses, while there were others that I don't.

I didn't mean to undermine his opininon, I probably could have used better wording then "chill out" but money isn't what I need help with, I need help with preperation, and i need help with the whole electrical gremlin thing.

I sincerely do apologize if I came off strong.

 

[chaos254]

Look foward to seeing this build. Not sure why everyone is so worried about derian spending his own money.

 

[alrock]

Look foward to seeing this build. Not sure why everyone is so worried about derian spending his own money.

It's the same "worry" we provide when someone wants to buy torsion bar keys vs cranking torsion bars. Generally the whole point of the forum is to get feedback and opinions with the occasional chance to show off a great truck.

As you pointed out, the right answer is the OP's answer but perhaps other readers considering the same type of decision will find value in the other posts in this thread

 

[Woodtick]

I know we have been warned to not attack this young mans choices . But come on ,the story just isn't adding up? You could buy 2 h3's at whole sale for 20k. There is a waiting list for this engine swap? There are a lot of us that come to this site for good tech info. My tech advice to you young man,go buy two H3's at auction for 20k. Make a bed room set out of your yellow 06 h3. This way you can spend every night with it. This is not a slam on you,just some more advice you keep asking for,but don't want to hear.

 

[SolidusJ]

I call dibs on the engine and trany when you flip it showing off at the mall parking lot!!!!!:giggle:

 

[derian06]

I know we have been warned to not attack this young mans choices . But come on ,the story just isn't adding up? You could buy 2 h3's at whole sale for 20k. There is a waiting list for this engine swap? There are a lot of us that come to this site for good tech info. My tech advice to you young man,go buy two H3's at auction for 20k. Make a bed room set out of your yellow 06 h3. This way you can spend every night with it. This is not a slam on you,just some more advice you keep asking for,but don't want to hear.

It doesn't add up, because you're not it me or my family's financial situation. And you can call Mash Motors if you want man. Plus this will be an entirely new rig when it gets back. One of the few 6.2L V8, when I do bring back this monster it will be a story to tell.

 

[Woodtick]

I call dibs on the engine and trany when you flip it showing off at the mall parking lot!!!!!:giggle:

Do you think there will be a pic of girl friends standing on the undercarriage while the truck is resting on its roof?:shame:

 

[derian06]

Do you think there will be a pic of girl friends standing on the undercarriage while the truck is resting on its roof?:shame:

Better then no women [emoji1]

 

[SolidusJ]

Do you think there will be a pic of girl friends standing on the undercarriage while the truck is resting on its roof?:shame:

That would be the driving reason to show off for kids.

 

[Woodtick]

Out of respect for the mods,I'm not going to go any farther. One more thing before I go.... I hope you don't go to jail for murdering money .:dh:

 

[derian06]

And still no one has explained the electrical gremlins

 

[SolidusJ]

And still no one has explained the electrical gremlins

Look we can tell you don't care what we have to say so when you start dealing with the gremlins you'll learn.

 

[derian06]

Look we can tell you don't care what we have to say so when you start dealing with the gremlins you'll learn.

I'm trying to understand how it works, if i'm replacing everything electrical that runs my car, and i've checked most if not all plugs that we can access and i've seen no water, corrosion, or mud. What is the problem? First thing i'm doing once it's back in my garage is getting electrical cleaner and hitting every plug I can find.

Also, can the bcm run without the tcm or pcm? This would help me identify problems and get them done asap.

 

[SolidusJ]

What happens when you try and kill a love one taking a bubble bath and you chuck a toaster in there? Water is a conductor and all that power sent in the water will be sent back out to the outlet and blow it. The toaster, power wire and outlet had so much power in it that it melts everything. Sometimes wires from the outside looks great and dandy until you open it up and the copper is toasted.

 

[derian06]

What happens when you try and kill a love one taking a bubble bath and you chuck a toaster in there? Water is a conductor and all that power sent in the water will be sent back out to the outlet and blow it. The toaster, power wire and outlet had so much power in it that it melts everything. Sometimes wires from the outside looks great and dandy until you open it up and the copper is toasted.

So copper from inside the wire could be messed up?

 

[SolidusJ]

Sure my fuse box was done and some whole parts of the harness had to be replaced.

 

[derian06]

Can someone send me that link for the alpha?... I may be onto something clever.

 

[derian06]

I found a way to go through insurance and buy an alpha, I just can't seem to find the link that was told to me by someone earlier in one of my threads

 

[abearden]

As for the possible electrical demons form muddy water...

Muddy water can contain all matter of chemicals, salts, organic compounds, and other nastiness. It also conducts electricity to some extent. Between the two:

- Stray voltages and rapid temperature changes can damage semi-conductors and shorten their life. When a random transistor dies in a chip, the output can become erratic under completely random circumstances (i.e. between 83 and 86 degrees ambient air temp and only when capacitor C2 is charging). Those are always fun, and sometimes expensive, to track down.
- Impurities in the water can be left behind in nearly any connector (plug or bolt-to-frame), switches, crevice, and even in the ends of the wire itself. Because the macro-impurities washed away does not mean the micro-impurities that you cannot see did. The impurities give a hold to future moisture to collect and cause all manner of fun mainly due to increased corrosion. The only way you're getting away from that is alcohol/WD40 scrubbing every possible exposed connector individually and then coating with dielectric grease before assembly.
- As previously mentioned, stray voltages can cause wire overloads that oxidize or otherwise damage wire in unseen areas. Particularly at risk are smaller digital-run wires and grounding wires. Leads to really dirty signals that computers have a hard time decoding. Goes back to the fun debugging.

Not to say any of this happened, is a given, or even likely depending on what exactly was in the water, but it's all possible and the chances increase the longer the truck spends in the water. Just because you went through all of the connectors and they looked clean, dry, and non-corroded don't completely discount what the guys are saying about the increased possibility of future electrical gremlins. Sounds like you're about to replace most of the drivetrain harness so it should alleviate most potential problems, but the rest of the electrical (infotainment, comfort controls, locks, etc) was still exposed. Just something to keep in mind in the future if things start acting up.

 

[derian06]

As for the possible electrical demons form muddy water...

Muddy water can contain all matter of chemicals, salts, organic compounds, and other nastiness. It also conducts electricity to some extent. Between the two:

- Stray voltages and rapid temperature changes can damage semi-conductors and shorten their life. When a random transistor dies in a chip, the output can become erratic under completely random circumstances (i.e. between 83 and 86 degrees ambient air temp and only when capacitor C2 is charging). Those are always fun, and sometimes expensive, to track down.
- Impurities in the water can be left behind in nearly any connector (plug or bolt-to-frame), switches, crevice, and even in the ends of the wire itself. Because the macro-impurities washed away does not mean the micro-impurities that you cannot see did. The impurities give a hold to future moisture to collect and cause all manner of fun mainly due to increased corrosion. The only way you're getting away from that is alcohol/WD40 scrubbing every possible exposed connector individually and then coating with dielectric grease before assembly.
- As previously mentioned, stray voltages can cause wire overloads that oxidize or otherwise damage wire in unseen areas. Particularly at risk are smaller digital-run wires and grounding wires. Leads to really dirty signals that computers have a hard time decoding. Goes back to the fun debugging.

Not to say any of this happened, is a given, or even likely depending on what exactly was in the water, but it's all possible and the chances increase the longer the truck spends in the water. Just because you went through all of the connectors and they looked clean, dry, and non-corroded don't completely discount what the guys are saying about the increased possibility of future electrical gremlins. Sounds like you're about to replace most of the drivetrain harness so it should alleviate most potential problems, but the rest of the electrical (infotainment, comfort controls, locks, etc) was still exposed. Just something to keep in mind in the future if things start acting up.

Thank you for the info, i'm glad I could finally get the in-depth answer I was looking for.