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Does HUMMER have a future?

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Dennis

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I wrote this in another forum recently and would like to echo it here if I may..


When Government Motors (GM) shut down the Hummer lines..it wasn't too long after, the demand for HUMMERS went through the roof around here in central Oklahoma...Everybody and their cousins wants a HUMMER now..Within a 1/2 block of me, I count 6 different Hummer owners now...Prices for used ones are at full KBB value and then some...and the seller is getting it...AMAZING, I guess they learned that they were not the GAS GUZZLERS everyone made them out be...ironicly, that polictical pressure used on GM to discontinue HUMMERS, ultimately started a new trend in the post HUMMER era.

I feel soon, when GM pays back everything it owes to the Govenment...You may see a new line of HUMMERS..the demand is there, it is simple economics..I'm hoping anyways:fxd:
 

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...same here! I think you're right. I see strong demand for HUMMERS in southern Arizona. The former Tucson HUMMER dealer can't get used trade-ins fast enough. Low-mileage ones are commanding a premium throughout the state as well.
 

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IMO i dont think GM will ever pay back their debt. And if GM doesnt bring hummer back, i will. Ill buy it from them, and set up the brand again and put into production new models. They will better made then before. Dont worry i will be making GM an offer they cant refuse. ;)

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H1 prices have been rising and here on the West coast sales are pretty brisk, especially for really nice trucks. I also doubt that GM will pay their loans back 100%. By that low mileage Hummer of your dreams now while you can.
 

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I guess I'm an optimist, because I would love to see the Hx make production and I think eventually GM will make it happen. At the rate Jeeps (especially the Wrangler) are selling now, it would be pure crazy to ignore that segment of the market when you've already got an "ace" in your pocket.
 

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I agree. Here in Michigan they are selling like hotcakes. You dont see them on the lot to long. Maybe some eyes will be opened but to many use the blank empty stare...
 

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I believe that Hummer will never be back, but some Hummers will.

I think Cadillac will bring out an H2 in Escalade sheet metal to compete with Range Rover.

I also think GM will bring out the H4 as a Chevy or GMC or both. GM spent too much money on the H4 to abandon it and leave that market to Jeep.
 

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If GM made another Hummer branded as a GMC I probably wouldnt want to buy it just because GM has kinda pist me off...
 

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I try to be optimistic, I really do. But on this topic I have to admit it would be an amazing long shot. I have a few observations and thoughts of my own. The Hummer brand (the one owned by GM) is dead. I don't think it would come back even if the ownership reverted back to AM General. Even if it did, what would AM General do it with it? It's not worth anything, there's no more dealerships or merchandise or anything. In my mind the H2 is the deadest of them all since it was built by AM General and not GM. If you have an H2, hang on it because that's all there will ever be in the world. The H3/H3T is equally as dead. Once the Shrevesport plant is shuttered, the hopes of a second coming are gone.

AM General is the only wild card left. Will there ever be another truck from them? Maybe, and it may be the best long shot because they still own another brand name, Humvee. I have wondered to myself lately if they would ever bring back a truck rebranded as Humvee instead of Hummer.

The appeal of a vehicle like a rebranded Humvee is like other similar vehicles in history as well: LM002, Defender, Icon. They appeal to a very small minorty of vehicle owners so just like the H1 it would be made in small numbers.

There is almost no chance (zero, zilch, nada) of a GMC Hx that has the same characteristics of the Hummer Hx. After they get done making plastic dashboards and raiding tie rods from a chevy malibu parts bin, it will end up a 2wd warthog look a like with almost no offroad capability. Let's face facts, GMs world is taking the same exact car, bolting on a few different parts and then putting different badges on the front (Buick, GMC, Chevy, Cadillac). A Hummer-like vehicle just has no place in that world.

Despite all that negativity, GM has basically told "us" the people left driving the Hummers to go pound sand. This is in light of new Jeep styling changes, Land Rover talking about bringing back the Defender, The Ford F-150 Raptor just keeps getting better and now "all of sudden" owning an SUV is fashionable once again despite all the environmentalist "suv bashing" a few years ago. GM apparently didn't want to weather the downturn and see the uptick once people started buying vehicles again, or they are concentrating all of thier efforts on rebadging the same car model over and over until there is no brand left. I often wonder what would have happened to Hummer if they had someone as passionate about the vehicle as they were about the Corvette 50 years ago. Without the passion for the product, then it's just a product, no different than a can of soup, instead of being something special. In the early days of Corvette it was almost scrapped several times, but they kept at it, and now look the vette. It found a place in the world.

In the long run I am personally glad that Hummer didn't sell to the Chinese, even though I would have liked to have seen the brand live on. Could you imagine what a Chinese built and designed Hummer would be like? You could say what you want about GM but at least they "got" Hummer. They understood what the name stood for even if they weren't willing to stand up behind that name. So I guess I am happy with what I have even if it means that this is the best I can do (meaning never owning a new truck ever again). I personally plan to drive my trucks until there is nothing but a few rusty bits left.
 
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If GM made another Hummer branded as a GMC I probably wouldnt want to buy it just because GM has kinda pist me off...

O come on! You might believe that but I don't! If GMC came out with the H4 as Hummer designed it, but with a GMC logo on it, you'd be drolling all over yourself to buy it and show up your Jeep "frends". The first time someone blew past you on a trail in one, you'd be doing a potty dance waiting for the GMC dealer to open!

P.S. If your Jeep "friends" consistenly spot you badly, what kind of friends are they?
 

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Sweet! Me likee.

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O come on! You might believe that but I don't! If GMC came out with the H4 as Hummer designed it, but with a GMC logo on it, you'd be drolling all over yourself to buy it and show up your Jeep "frends". The first time someone blew past you on a trail in one, you'd be doing a potty dance waiting for the GMC dealer to open!

P.S. If your Jeep "friends" consistenly spot you badly, what kind of friends are they?

A jeep friend are the guys in my driveway helping me wrench, we joke around I talk crap about jeeps and they talk smack about hummers. At the end of the day were friends and we appreciate each others rigs. They have been friends with me for a while. Jeep "friends" arent friends I usually met them on the trail once or twice and I cant stand them...and they know it...
 

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Didn't ownership of Hummer revert back to American General?
I'd rather see American General return with a kick but Hummer.
 

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I'll believe it when I see it. I *want* someone (preferably AMG) to re-launch the Hummer brand but I think there's still too much negative perception of Hummers to justify a brand that would most likely be a niche market at best
 

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Agreed, Dave. I mean, look at Saab, another "niche" vehicle: Even in bankruptcy there are people worldwide holding meets to "save Saab"...and Saab isn't even as "quirky" as they are made out to be (in my opinion).
 

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I agree that niche" markets usually tend to be pricy, but who says they have to be? If demand is high enough, prices will go down. From what i've heard and seen, current hummer owners wouldn't trade it for anything. There are massive markets for Hummers in Australia, South America, Russia, and Japan...not to mention the US. I think if someone were to buy Hummer and mass produce them, instead of making each one custom, price would stay relatively low. Sure they would ne high in the beginning but eventually they will drop down. Just what i think.

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I wrote this in another forum recently and would like to echo it here if I may..


When Government Motors (GM) shut down the Hummer lines..it wasn't too long after, the demand for HUMMERS went through the roof around here in central Oklahoma...Everybody and their cousins wants a HUMMER now..Within a 1/2 block of me, I count 6 different Hummer owners now...Prices for used ones are at full KBB value and then some...and the seller is getting it...AMAZING, I guess they learned that they were not the GAS GUZZLERS everyone made them out be...ironicly, that polictical pressure used on GM to discontinue HUMMERS, ultimately started a new trend in the post HUMMER era.

I feel soon, when GM pays back everything it owes to the Govenment...You may see a new line of HUMMERS..the demand is there, it is simple economics..I'm hoping anyways:fxd:

Simple economics say it is not there. Just because there was a surge in sales when Hummer was discontinued does not mean there will be a demand today. With fuel prices heading toward 4 bucks a gallon (again) and the soccer mom market does not count the Hummer as vogue will mean low sales.

For all you off-roaders out there, about 90-95 percent of all H3/H2 sales in the first few years were to soccer moms (that includes mall crawlers and just people who thought the Hummer was cool); sales to those who actually off-roaded the vehicle were low.

That is one of the reasons the H3 died. Just look at how the sales dived after the first year in production as the fuel increased, and the new PC was for fuel efficient cars/trucks, and so the cross-over was put into mass production and then those sales went up and up and up.

In addition, with new EPA fuel requirements, unless GM produced an identical Hummer (at what factory?) it would costs hundreds of millions to design, test and produce and even if they pay us back, will they want to invest heavily into the production of a vehicle that has a limited sales future? (Only if they can get double the price they did when it was dropped.)

You have to take into account the costs involved with designing, testing (that includes some very expensive crash testing, fuel mileage testing and other general testing of parts), parting (arranging for production of production parts as well a service parts), setup (factory), marketing, etc., of a vehicle. And GM as it stands right now is so limited in resources, not sure if they would have the personnel to take on a project of this size.

So, I would bet that the Hummer is dead as a division of GM. Could GM produce some other decent off-road vehicle under the GMC line? Yes, but more likely it would be in a PU truck model since the costs would be less and the plant(s) are already producing the same vehicle that would just require some new components.
 

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Agreed, Dave. I mean, look at Saab, another "niche" vehicle: Even in bankruptcy there are people worldwide holding meets to "save Saab"...and Saab isn't even as "quirky" as they are made out to be (in my opinion).

The last model Saabs were GM products under the hood.
 

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The last model Saabs were GM products under the hood.

Yes sir, my sister has a...hmm...2000-and-something Saab 9-3 and it has On* and the whole bit. It's a nice hatchback, but there's nothing quirky about other than the ignition being on the center console.
 

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IMO, im always going to buy a vehicle that is offroad capable, because for me its about being prepared, and not being constrained by the car that i drive. I dont care if im going to be just driving it on pavement all them time, but when i do want to go to a remote place, then i want ot be able to. This is why i bought a Hummer, because it could go anywhere and it was safe.
 
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